tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post2746362216098501761..comments2023-12-27T10:01:36.848-05:00Comments on Not Strictly Spiritual: N.Y. Times plays politics with Dorothy DayMary DeTurris Pousthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06681978685726230673noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-87522647847794423732012-12-01T09:04:08.210-05:002012-12-01T09:04:08.210-05:00Let's not play football with Dorothy Day! As ...Let's not play football with Dorothy Day! As a Catholic school student in the raucous period between 1960 and 1973, Dorothy Day's "getting it" transcended the irrelevance of the Catholic Church to the social injustices that marred the Western world and she was an inspiration to me, my closest friends, and to the young Christian Brothers who taught us at the time. <br /><br />It was Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906 – 1945) whose life story inspired me to see the best side of progressive Christianity. It Dorothy Day who inspired me to be socially conscious and to put my Catholic faith into good works as a volunteer mentor at St St Brigid's School on Avenue B in NYC and in a number of other ways. <br /><br />Yes, she was a true leader by example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-61660387209619292822012-11-30T22:41:38.689-05:002012-11-30T22:41:38.689-05:00Fred: My fave quote from Dorothy Day: "The C...Fred: My fave quote from Dorothy Day: "The Church must never abandon the poor--- to Holy Mother the State."<br /><br />She NEVER lost sight of the fact that a swelling State makes for a shrinking Church, and vice cersa. She never, ever, ever sided with the State against the Church.<br /><br />But for me, the best thing is: she brought me back to the gentle personalism of traditional Catholicis. <br /><br />I think hundreds, maybe thousands could say the same. And tens of thousands will join their voices and hearts with real warmth to petition: Dorothy, Servant of God, pray for us.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08347634609572874323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-37120825703963461242012-11-29T23:23:28.733-05:002012-11-29T23:23:28.733-05:00@ Fred (again): "No real saint would speak si...@ Fred (again): "No real saint would speak sit in public judgment of an archbishop the way she bragged that she did."<br /><br />SAINT Catherine of Siena had a few things to say to the pope...DrDoctorDrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160070320563319938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-42570162955524018302012-11-29T10:11:34.050-05:002012-11-29T10:11:34.050-05:00Fred,
Day was a very odd socialist. She was agains...Fred,<br />Day was a very odd socialist. She was against Social Security and afraid of what excessive government intrusion into charitable work would do. She was smart enough to know that if you take the government's dime then the government will want to run the show. And their decisions woudl not be good for the poor.<br />I would say that while an active socialist early in life she was in truth an anarchist, who did not trust government at all.<br />Her vision of social justice is more in line with the Church's understanding of social justice than just about any modern "justice & peace" Catholic who expects the government to solve the problem of poverty (through taxing the rich).<br />As for her sitting in public judgment of an archbishop, if you're speaking of her criticism of Cardinal Francis Spellman, I'd say Cardinal Spellman had many faults worth criticizing. Let's just say that St. Catherine of Siena was also well known for letting her criticism of high ranking Church members. Indeed some members of the American Catholic Church's hierarchy in the lest few decades deserve more than tepid public condemnation for what they've done or failed to do. TerryChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05643202804792947404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-64517844884128134852012-11-28T17:01:39.755-05:002012-11-28T17:01:39.755-05:00I agree with some of the earlier commenters, this ...I agree with some of the earlier commenters, this is a great response to the NYT. If you haven't noticed, everything is about left vs. right anymore and people outside the church (and sadly, some inside) want to split the church the same way society is divided. And to assign political motives to Cardinal Dolan is just absurd! The Church isn't a democracy, no one needs to play politics. We are using our energies share the Gospel.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18007803964164238284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-49977578289413050392012-11-28T13:10:14.608-05:002012-11-28T13:10:14.608-05:00A very interesting historical review. Thank you.A very interesting historical review. Thank you.claire bangasserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12380558962103134334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-12039560323037365422012-11-28T12:33:49.555-05:002012-11-28T12:33:49.555-05:00Sorry, "avowed Athiest" was a typo. I me...Sorry, "avowed Athiest" was a typo. I meant that Day was an avowed socialist her whole life (frankly, I've never noticed much difference in the persons who hold these twin errors). Read Deacon Kandra's quotes from Day on this same blog to see what a judgmental, self-rightious woman Day truly was. No real saint would speak sit in public judgment of an archbishop the way she bragged that she did.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-60831538566354270362012-11-28T02:49:59.677-05:002012-11-28T02:49:59.677-05:00Fred, see http://www.catholicworker.org/dorothyday...Fred, see http://www.catholicworker.org/dorothyday/ddbiographytext.cfm?number=3<br />In which it becomes apparent that, far from being an avowed atheist all her life, she was in fact most of her life, even as a child, deeply attracted to religion and the Catholic Church in particular. She did have sometime in which she doubted and led a less-than-exemplary life, but your characterisation is way off base.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-58855966640695714072012-11-27T21:11:50.890-05:002012-11-27T21:11:50.890-05:00I thought the article in the NY Times was excellen...I thought the article in the NY Times was excellent. Yes, the writer plays games with Cardinal Dolan while politicizing Catholic beliefs. They really don't know any other way to write something on Dorothy Day. However when you get past that the research and article on Dorothy Day was well done. Cardinal Dolan sees something that is very needed inside Rachel's tears.<br /><br />Michael F Brennan<br />St Petersburg, FLMike B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14258213682048271356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-91987147750728867652012-11-27T18:03:32.981-05:002012-11-27T18:03:32.981-05:00The approach is to treat all the churches or relig...The approach is to treat all the churches or religious organizations as just another political entity is not new. The Obama administration did not start this but they are carrying it further than any other past administration. The danger here is that as the Church becomes more involved in the public square, the public square will become more involved in the Church. This is what the secularist want, a church that is no different than say the NAACP or the Chamber of Commerce. The article has many good points but this critique demands wider dissemination and the faithful need a better understanding of the full breath of Catholic spiritual and social teaching. We Catholic need to reject the “conservative” and “liberal” stereotypes define ourselves uniquely as Catholics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-13302027013772863362012-11-27T17:20:03.811-05:002012-11-27T17:20:03.811-05:00You mean the NY times is a joke publication put ou...You mean the NY times is a joke publication put out by liberal hacks?Que tonto eresAngry Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12788348671692642067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-47209682880924898132012-11-27T16:20:32.118-05:002012-11-27T16:20:32.118-05:00Fred, please read the Long LonelinessFred, please read the Long LonelinessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-44657209025056880882012-11-27T15:56:09.555-05:002012-11-27T15:56:09.555-05:00Dorothy Day remained an avowed atheist her entire ...Dorothy Day remained an avowed atheist her entire life, which is contrary to all teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. It is shameful that the US Bishops, liberal Democrats nearly all, are trying tomuscle her through the canonization process. There is no popular devotion to her, outside of the editorial pages of America and Commonweal magazines. She is not a model of sanctity, nor was her influence on the Church in America anything near the likes of a Fulton Sheen, who the bishops have not endorsed en banc.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-28045268976140569552012-11-27T14:06:15.010-05:002012-11-27T14:06:15.010-05:00The ironic part is that the article itself quotes ...The ironic part is that the article itself quotes Cardinal Dolan (in the fifth graf) on how Dorothy Day shows that the Catholic Church is "both-and rather than either-or". It's right there in the article, and yet the writer can't see it!Nathaniel M. Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01835009706332559978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-52698520340179658832012-11-27T13:48:47.718-05:002012-11-27T13:48:47.718-05:00I don't get put out with NYT etc anymore. They...I don't get put out with NYT etc anymore. They're just doing what Obama did, ie, exploiting the rift in the Catholic church between Prolifers vs Social Justice folks...that's how he got himself elected. If Catholics in the pews cared enough to read "Caritas in Veritate" or even listen to B16 every week, we couldn't be exploited bc we'd understand that our faith isn't "either or" but "both and", as Dolan says in the article.thereseritahttp://yearoffaith2013.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-44056084389903038352012-11-27T13:48:46.049-05:002012-11-27T13:48:46.049-05:00The New York Times doesn't understand the Cath...The New York Times doesn't understand the Catholic Church. Nobody understands us. Boo-hoo. When are we going to stop being victims.<br /><br />Peter N. Nevraumont<br />The Bronx, New YorkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-56121135797250422912012-11-27T13:14:17.530-05:002012-11-27T13:14:17.530-05:00relfri 800I had the same reaction to this column -...relfri 800I had the same reaction to this column - Cardinal Dolan isn't liberal, and he's not conservative, he's Catholic. The religion writer for the New York Times should have at least an inkling of what that means, but apparently that's too much to ask. How disappointing!Siobhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07139607474272663581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-65467268259871615752012-11-27T11:19:27.456-05:002012-11-27T11:19:27.456-05:00Thank you so much for a great response. I tend to ...Thank you so much for a great response. I tend to be labelled "very conservative" but I have had a fondness for Day from the moment I read about her. I hope she intercedes for all of us. mjlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961183796915363873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-9870804618251903712012-11-27T08:55:59.691-05:002012-11-27T08:55:59.691-05:00Great post Mary... Dorothy Day - pray for us!Great post Mary... Dorothy Day - pray for us!Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11848864171813782695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7307560128789606491.post-38207973631302148352012-11-27T08:38:25.031-05:002012-11-27T08:38:25.031-05:00Good point. So the NYT doesn't understand the ...Good point. So the NYT doesn't understand the Catholic Church? Quelle suprise! Imagine if they were this off about economics or politics. Hmm, maybe...Brian Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090250825241093641noreply@blogger.com